Amazons International # 51 ************************** Contents: Steve R.: Bio Jonathan K.: The Amazon Kama Sutra + Bio Jason T.: Bio Ron K.: The Amazon Tao David G.: Quote from Carson McCullers Date of publication: 07.12.95 ************************************************************** Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 20:04:22 -0500 From: canmir@aol.com Subject: Bio I enjoy your publication. Biography: Steve Rimnac, white male, 5'-8", 145, 45, 2 degrees, architect, enjoy bodybuilding, exercise, separated. A little about a part of myself: At age 13, puberty, I developed an interest in strong, muscular, smart women. Prior to this point I was concerned that male/female sports activities did not seem to exist in our mass media, though I did not see much of a difference between men & women, except men seemed to be taught to dominate, be a provider and died on average at age 71 while women were taught to be more submissive, were taught to dress differently and lived on average to age 76-77. I first looked at Marilyn Monroe, who seemed to be held up at that time as the image of beauty for women. She was the only picture of a naked person in our house except for the statue of a near naked male nailed to a cross, Jesus. Marilyn was playing the role of a dumb blonde, I felt she was oppressed, I had younger sisters I respected and did not wish this on them, and so redrew her as a little stronger, good biceps, felt her to be equal, bright but with some anger and drew the male image next to her, who also was strong but a little bigger. At that time I was embarrassed by my interest and felt different, even though not gay. In high school I would spend lunch hours watching a very beautiful female, with very large biceps and a healthy look. She was very impressive to me, Amazonian in nature. In college I often researched the subject. At 24 I met Ginger at my cousins house, she was nude, said she was gay and had a drug abuse problem. About a year later she had become a professional boxer, still liked to be nude, was quite impressive physically, big biceps, proud and fun. She became the number 1 ranked boxer in her weight class, did some TV & magazines, then quit to be a rock & roll drummer, then Elvis impersonator? More recently: A few years ago I met Sharon, 5'-2", 125, 48, 3 children, married. She had never smoked or drank alcohol or coffee in her life, at age 35 had taken up bodybuilding, reached strength levels of 220 lb.bench press, 600 lb.leg press, 340 lb.squats and won the Ms. Colorado Bodybuilding contest, 2nd place Ms. Universe, 3rd place Ms. America. She is a fun, open minded, smart, self made, wealthy person who enjoys posing and flexing. I think she is a great role model for women. I took up bodybuilding, regular exercise 6 months prior to meeting Sharon. I thought that if I like muscle so much in women, I should return the favor, & it makes me feel better about myself. Sharon & I have an ongoing series of exercise videos called The Wrestling Workout Exercise Videos which feature weights, posing, and wrestling as a safe, fun, aerobic partner exercise in which the participants are the real winners and massage. No toplessness or embarrassment. Information & a list of these videos can be obtained on request at canmir@aol.com. I believe that the instinct which sets in at puberty, depending on how the person responds to it based on that persons life experiences to date, has a significant effect on that person's life thereafter and it's easy to see how there can be so much variation in people's interest, though its primary purpose is to have a child or two. Sharon can be reached at this address as well. We enjoy comments, reactions, thoughts, etc. ************************************************************** Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:26:47 -0700 From: jkolber@tesser.com (Jonathan Kolber) Subject: The Amazon Kama Sutra In the Kama Sutra, many of the positions rely on the man's strength to support the woman. Apparently, the authors of that treatise never contemplated a time when women would be strong enough to lift men, or when they might be larger than their partners. But we can! This article is copyright Jim Kolber 1995. I'm writing a book on sexual techniques and intend to include it there. However, I hereby authorize you to print this material (verbatim or edited as you see fit) in Amazons International, and authorize readers of that publication to make copies for personal non-commercial use. There's nothing in the Kama Sutra specific to Amazon/smaller man relationships to my knowledge. Nevertheless, I've conceived several positions that are unique to an Amazon and a man whom she can physically lift. One tip: if the woman isn't very tall relative to the man, but can support his weight, most of these positions should work if she stands on a platform. I call the first position the Perch. Even though I'm a small man (5'7", 145 lb.) I've never had a girlfriend strong enough to do it with. I'd be interested to hear of any experiences. (Possibly, Puppetoon [AI # 26] experienced it with Lois?) In this position, the man and woman stand facing each other. Her legs are slightly apart. She bends at the knees. She uses her hands and arms to lift him upwards and toward her. Once they are coupled, he slips his legs between hers, then wraps his calves around her thighs, probably locking the backs of their knees together. One variant: once he's airborne, he can let his legs hang loosely and she can swing him back & forth until his legs slide between hers, at which time he can quickly wrap his calves around her legs. Adds some excitement & game aspects to the position (requires timing). Regardless of how the Perch is achieved, his weight is supported by all four of their legs, possibly assisted by her hands/arms. If he's small enough, he can orally pleasure her breasts in this position. Or, they can kiss or he can rest his head against her neck. This position can result in very slow intercourse with a lot of access to caressing each other's body parts. An interesting aspect is that the woman can totally control the positioning of their pelvises to suit her needs, by adjusting with either her hips or her arms. For instance, many women derive a lot of pleasure from having pelvises locked and grinding them together. In the Perch, she can accomplish this by locking her arms around his waist and holding him tightly. To work, the Perch may require leg strengthening and/or stretching exercises by either or both parties. I think the Perch would be particularly pleasurable in the shower. A variant on the Perch occurs when the woman is above the man as in (for example) the Rider position described below. The Perch can shift from one of these (woman & man both vertical) to another (both horizontal, woman on top, man's body dangling from the woman's) without decoupling if the woman is strong enough. It also offers interesting possibilities for dancing. If the man's legs aren't strong enough to sustain this position for long periods, the couple can switch between this position and her holding him with his legs wrapped around her waist. He never needs to touch the ground. Another position, somewhat more conventional, and which I've called the Rider (Okay, so I'll never get a job on Madison Avenue :), consists of the woman kneeling on a flat surface. She uses her hands and knees to support her weight. Her back is flat. The man slides on top of her such that their torsos are flush and his legs are behind hers. She supports both their bodies while they have intercourse. Either party can control the rhythm through hip movements, or it can be mutual. I've actually done this with an Amazon girlfriend. In my experience, it's not a good position for either person to achieve orgasm (may have been the tilt of her pelvis), but is a great appetizer. A third position I call The Elevator. It involves the man standing with legs slightly apart, couple facing each other. She bends at the knees, with her forearms at a 90 degree angle from her upper arms, forearms pointed towards him. (It may help her to clasp her fists together while doing this.) She slips her forearms underneath him, between his legs, and lifts him up. This position is interesting in that it is VERY stimulating to the man but can also be painful (though not harmful, apparently). It naturally applies a lot of pressure to that "sweet spot" between the anus and testicles. I'd recommend doing this slowly the first few times, until both persons are comfortable with it & automatically make the right small adjustments to avoid hurting him. He can immediately move from this position to wrapping his legs around her waist. Or, if she's VERY strong, she could lift him up and give him some oral stimulation in this position. This position could also slip into the Perch, though some maneuvering would be required. A variation on this position with interesting B&D aspects is that she could hold his hands or wrists in her hands. There is a risk, however: he might need to use his hands or arms to steady himself. I'd recommend waiting on that until the couple is VERY comfortable with this position, or at least until he's lifted & his weight is leaning against her body. He will feel VERY helpless in this position. Another position worth exploring if both bodies "fit" is the reverse missionary. In this, the couple face each other and join together. He then wraps his legs around her waist, sliding his inner thighs over her outer thighs and probably locking his ankles on the inside of her knees. This requires a limber man, and probably a woman with narrow hips. I tried this one with an Amazon girlfriend and we both found it interesting and novel but moved on to other positions. It was interesting for B&D play but not ultimately physically satisfying. It's interesting to me that these positions rely on the woman's strength to support the man. Of course, any of these positions could become tiring to the woman. However, that's true in general of exotic sex positions, and I've found that there's nothing like variety even within a lovemaking session to stimulate both parties' imaginations and bodies. Footnote: It also seems to me that if a couple practices erotic positions requiring flexibility and/or strength, it gives an added impetus to regular exercise together. Too often, exercise is a chore. But if a couple both know what "sexycises" are being empowered by a given exercise, it is sure to bring a smile and added enthusiasm & mutual support, if not an actual flush of passion. Hope these help some people to find added pleasure and intimacy. I'd love to find another Amazon girlfriend with whom to try these (& more conventional things)! ----End-of-article Jonathan Kolber jkolber@tesser.com Here's my bio: Single white male, I'm self-employed, with a small business I operate from home. I live in the mountains near Boulder, Colorado. My interests include spirituality (active in the Art of Living, writing a book about my teacher who's named Punditji), outer space development, new technologies and ideas (I'm a life extender, aged 41, friends with Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw. It must be working because, when people meet me & my 36 year old sister, they think I'm the younger one.). I'm 5'7", 145 lb., with twinkling green eyes and thick wavy brown hair. I enjoy tennis, hiking, travel, discussions of social philosophy, movies, culture and new experiences. I've had warm and loving relations with women of various builds and dispositions but have been happiest in the company of Amazons. I'm actively seeking a girlfriend now. I feel most comfortable with women who are openminded, willing to consciously step outside social norms when it suits them, spiritual (as contrasted to religious), passionate, sensual and intelligent. I guess my interest in Amazons started at age 13 when I was first attracted to a girl a head taller than myself. I had a very attractive taller, stronger 23-year-old woman hit on me when I was 15, but I was too nervous to follow up on it. My first actual experience with dating an Amazon was in college and short-lived (we were too self-conscious). About 7 years ago, I was in a serious long-term relationship with one. By that time, I had become accepting of my preference and was able to encourage this lady to where it turned HER on as well. We broke up for reasons unrelated to our size difference. I am considering starting an internet-based personals service for Amazons & those who desire them; would appreciate the opportunity to attach a market survey for this to a future issue of AI. ************************************************************** Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:25:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Testart Subject: Bio Hi, I'm Jason and I just subscribed to AI. I'm 20 years old, and I'm a Computer Science student at the University of Waterloo (Ontario, Canada). I'm 5'8" tall, and I weigh around 165 pounds. I'm not very athletic. Reading older issues of AI I feel young compared to other submitters but here I go!! I apologize if my writting style ain't (ha, ha) that great, my excuse: I'm a Math major thus I don't write essays!! I admire Amazons for many different reasons. First of all, I don't like it when women starve themselves to be thin. I think it's foolish and unhealthy. I also find it unattractive. Sometimes I have trouble admitting it, but I find larger, stronger women very attractive. I don't know when I realized it, but I just do. My problem is I never see or meet any Amazons. It would be one of my ultimate fantasies to just MEET a female bodybuilder (maybe I'm not looking hard enough?). Perhaps it is because I'm afraid. It's not socially acceptable for a guy to like muscular women. The most I let on to anyone is that I prefer "well built" women. Am I driven by society just like those women who starve themselves? I also admire the intellectual, independent, strong willed women. Most of my female friends fit this mold. My problem is not finding a woman who knows computers inside and out! I welcome any e-mail from this group as I've found what I have read very interesting! Jason Testart |Web page - 2A Computer Science |http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jatestar/ University of Waterloo | jatestar@uwaterloo.ca | ************************************************************** Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:54:38 From: Ronald Kugel Subject: The Amazon Tao PART 1: THE FACE OF CREATION The following is not meant to be a religious treatise. It is a musing that may carry some truth; certainly for me, and perhaps for other members as well.. Although I recognize the likelyhood of more mundane explanations than I posit for the coincidence and reactions below, I find it sometimes enlightening and always interesting to consider other, more exotic possibilities. I have often wondered why I and others are so drawn to our Amazons. What if everything in reality was not limited to science (or sex)? What if there were a mystical explanation for our attraction to this wonderful sort of woman? About a decade ago, I was running an antique business. I happened into an out-of-the-way shop in search of some collectible pottery. As I was browsing, I was stunned still by a half-life-sized wooden sculpture on a shelf in a corner. It was the bust of a woman of polynesian features. Her face was broad and startlingly powerful. Her cheeks were high and mighty. Her mouth was wide, turned down in the corners and her full, sculpted, keen edged lips seemed to stand like stone walls about it. Her wide-set almond shaped eyes were closed as though she were asleep, but her brow seemed in deep thought. The intense power that radiated from her countenance seemed to suggest that she was not at rest. Her neck was thick and brawny, and the muscles on her chest and shoulders seemed to swell like sacred mounds of earth. I was overcome. I felt tremendously excited, and yet was filled with dread, as though I had looked upon an image that was older than Holy. I don't know how long I stared, but suddenly I became aware that my behavior was likely to be seen as odd. I tore myself away and headed out of the store. I could not escape the Face. I didn't know what it meant, or who I thought it was. I didn't regard it as either evil or good, but somehow beyond, or perhaps before such judgments. It's inherent power was too great for me to entertain any involvement with it. I stayed away from that store, and never returned. I felt that if I went back, I would surely buy the sculpture, and actually felt that if it were in my posession, I would be possessed *by* it. I feared my own obsession with it. A few years later, I was reading my children a story; Herman Hesse's 'Damien'. I had read it when I was young, and remember it being quite good. I reached the part of the book about which I (believed) I had forgotten: I sat down in front of the completed painting. It had an odd effect on me. It resembled a kind of image of God, or a holy mask, half male, half female, ageless, as purposeful as it was dreamy, as rigid as it was secretly alive. This face seemed to have a message for me. It belonged to me. It was asking something of me. It bore a resemblance to someone, yet I did not know whom. I could not finish the story. I recalled the bust of the woman and I knew then that I had seen such a face as Abraxas. I immediately began trying to draw it. My obsession with getting it right reminded me of the scene in Steven Spielberg's _Close Encounters of the Third Kind_, when Dreyfus keeps trying to sculpt the mountain? I tried to put myself in a stream of (un)consciousness, and just let my pencil do the work. A few days and many tries later, I finally got it. I could barely remember how the bust actually looked, but my drawing (I'm no artist) conveyed just as intense a feeling to me. I had read much into it. The picture I drew was of a powerful primal face, eyes closed, channels of hair writhing about it like snakes. Large puffs of clouds seemed to rise like smoke behind her head. Her hair flowed down from her shoulders and formed rivers cleaving into the mountains behind her. I stared at it just as I had done on that day in the antique store. I understood it now as being a dream of creation. This goddess in her sleep, or in ignorance of our existence, had dreamt everything into being. I was satisfied at last. She was the Earth. I felt as though I had at last come to an understanding of an aspect of Godhead that I had previously ignored: The Sacred Feminine! It was not long after this that I was watching a documentary called 'Peli the Fire Goddess'. It was about the volcanic creation of the Hawaiian Islands. When I saw the smoke rise from the cone, the rivers of pa aui aui lava snake their way down to the waiting sea, and contemplated how long she 'slept' between such events, I recognized my picture: Her mountainous features, the clouds billowing above her head and her snaking hair. Peli sweeps away all life yet that very act creates the island, and the residue of her eruption makes for the most fertile of soils, from which life again arises. Ever since, I have sought out and revered the feminine aspects in creation and so, in Deity. I have come to accept the concept of Goddess seriously. Far from feeling like a heretic, I have thus been able to sense a completeness in everything, that I never knew existed. We are all, in some sense, children of the Earth; and so daughters and sons of that Goddess. But those special Daughters, the Amazons we revere, are like the ancient heroes to the ancient gods. They bear a likeness to their progenitrix, and that divine similarity draws us to them. When we see them, or dream of their possibilities, or bear witness to their feats, we are enthralled. We may feel that we stand in the presence of something sacred. We long to be by their side; basking in their glow. In some instances, we may even feel compelled to pay homage to them or to what they represent. This may be a fealty to which we have been long bound. It may be most proper that we are in need to bend our knee before these long blessed Amazons; Heroines of our ancient Goddess. Ronald B. Kugel ************************************************************** Date: Sun, 05 Nov 95 14:55:27 CST From: David Galef Subject: Quote from Carson McCullers I thought I'd send along an excerpt from an old, mostly forgotten Carson McCullers novel. See what you think. If you want to print it, I don't think you'll run afoul of any copyright laws, since the excerpt is under 500 words. Best, David Galef ---------------- Mrs. Penderton's answer was a sudden laugh, a laugh both soft and savage, as though she had received some long expected piece of scandalous news or had thought of some sly joke. She pulled off her jersey, crushed it into a ball, and threw it into the corner of the room. Then deliberately she unbuttoned her breeches and stepped out of them. In a moment she was standing naked by the hearth. Before the bright gold and orange light of the fire her body was magnificent. The shoulders were straight so that the collar bone made a sharp pure line. Between her round breasts there were delicate blue veins. In a few years her body would be fullblown like a rose with loosened petals, but now the soft roundness was controlled and disciplined by sport. Although she stood quite still and placid, there was about her body a subtle quality of vibration, as though on touching her flesh one would feel the slow live coursing of the bright blood beneath. While the Captain looked at her with the stunned indignation of a man who has suffered a slap in the face, she walked serenely to the vestibule on the way to the stairs. The front door was open and from the dark night outside a breeze blew in and lifted a loose strand of her bronze hair. She was halfway up the steps before the Captain recovered from his shock. Then he ran trembling after her. "I will kill you!" he said in a strangled voice. "I will do it! I will do it!" He crouched with his hand to the bannister and one foot on the second step of the stairway as though ready to spring up after her. She turned slowly and looked down at him with unconcern for a moment before she spoke. "Son, have you ever been collared and dragged out in the street and thrashed by a naked woman?" --Carson McCullers: REFLECTIONS IN A GOLDEN EYE (1941) ********************************************************** * Amazons International * * Thomas Gramstad, editor: thomas@math.uio.no * * Administravia: amazons-request@ifi.uio.no * * Submissions: amazons@math.uio.no * ********************************************************** "A Hard Woman is Good to Find" -- The Valkyries